Dear Mr. Frederikson, I read your inquiry on the lawyers mailing list, and since the questions that you address have been of interest to me for many years, I would like to take this opportunity to think about them again, because I find that my writing is better, or should I say less bad, when it it stimulated by the illusion that someone like yourself might be interested in what I have to say. I should be surprised if you received much help from the lawyers, but if I am wrong, please forward me a copy of what you learn from them. I myself am not a lawyer. I started out wanting to be a musician, then a physicist; but since my native talents did not suffice, I studied philosophy, history and literature. I went to medical school and became an ophthalmologist. The Harvard Law School Library is about two thousand feet south of my office, and over the years I have spent many hours there, reading statutes and decisions, and pondering just such questions as the ones which you pose. If I understand you correctly, you raise two questions. 1. What meanings did the founding fathers intend to express when they wrote the Constitution. That is an issue of history, which you are probably far better qualified to answer than am I, although I am brash enough to offer some suggestions. 2. How do we interpret the oaths of all our government officers to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States," when these United States have burgeoned from a small chain of maritime colonies with at most a few hundred thousand largely Anglo-Saxon inhabitants, you know the numbers better than I, into to a superpower of two hundred million people or more, whose citizens represent virtually all the races and religions of our earth. My answer is that the founding fathers intended the Constitution to be a permanent edifice. They had a long view of history, borrowing as they did the model of the mixed constitution with its division into an executive, legislative and judicial branch from the Greeks. But they also anticipated the need of this Constitution to be adapted to changing social, political, and economic circumstances. Hence they made provision for formal amendments. Since it was then as now impossible for legislators to anticipate all situations in which the laws might become applicable, the founding fathers also made provision for the judicial interpretation of our laws, including the Constitution. I would argue that if the Constitution is meaningless without interpretation, and if the Constitution was intended to be subject to amendment, then interpretation as an integral part of the Constitution is similarly subject to amendment. q.e.d. The founding fathers were a practical bunch, and they understood very well that a twenty-five year old can only treasure as an heirloom the clothes he wore as a toddler, he can't wear them to the office. If they had really believed that history was static, they would have imported a European princeling and hired some Philadelphia goldsmith to put a crown on his head. Mr. Dooley was right when he said that the Supreme Court follows the elections. It should. Heaven help us if it didn't. If I interpret your letter correctly, its animus is political. You don't like big government, you think there should be a law against it, and think you might have found it in the Constitution. I don't think the Constitution prohibits the kind of governmental involvement to which you object. Furthermore your objection is addressed only to the bigness of the federal government. Except insofar as the 14th amendment applies the Bill of Rights to the states, the Constitution does not restrict the power of state governments within their borders; and if you care for a taste of big state government, come pay us a visit in Massachusetts. I don't like big, intrusive government either, but I consider it a consequence of population density and technology, a consequence which is probably largely unavoidable. I know of places in northern Alberta where I can build a cabin ten miles from my nearest neighbor, and no one will bother me. No Health Care Financing Administration, no Internal Revenue Service, no Zoning Board, no Building Inspector. But there's also no internet, no electric power, no telephone, no books, no library, no school for my grandchildren, no computer, no ophthalmology practice ... I probably wouldn't survive, and if I did, I would spend all my time securing my food clothing and shelter. Ultimately, I think our society will have to undergo radical change. No civilization is permanent. Babylon, Egypt, Greece and Rome didn't last. The Holy Roman Empire was good for a few hundred years. Hitler's thousand year Reich lasted only twelve. If we continue to neglect and destroy our children and offer them a future of nothing but longer prison terms, ours isn't going to last much longer. I don't think there is a solution for our problem, yours and mine. I fear that totalitarianism may be an unavoidable concomitant of mass culture, and that the worst is yet to come. I hope that I am wrong and I wish you a very happy New Year, with as little government as possible. ================================================================== From KFREDSON@delphi.com Tue Dec 27 17:53:54 1994 Return-Path: Received: from bos1a.delphi.com by mail2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id RAA12755; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 17:53:53 -0800 From: KFREDSON@delphi.com Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HL5H381Z8090QFL5@delphi.com>; Tue, 27 Dec 1994 20:54:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 20:54:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Help with the Constitution To: review@netcom.com Message-id: <01HL5H3828VM90QFL5@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"review@netcom.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Dear Ernest Meyer, I very much appreciated receiving your very thought-provoking reply. Many thanks for taking the time to address this. There have, in fact, been a few attorneys who have "nibbled" at my post. I am hoping that people will be able to point me to specific historical facts, documents, court decisions, etc., that trace the change to a more "liberal" construction of the Constitution. My own mind is certainly not made up on the matter, although I find myself sympathizing less and less with government from on high. Social engineering on the federal and state levels alike does not seem to have been particularly effective. But I do wonder whether or not there is a debate here which could be fruitful for high school students? Such debates (I lead them into a debate between loyalist and patriots in 1776, for instance) are helpful not only to raise key or neglected issues but also to make the learning experience more vivid and memorable, along with allowing for their thinking to occasionally take wing. So, staying at the level of the federal government for the moment, is it really a good thing for the Supreme Court to pay attention to the voters, that is, the majority of the moment? Why not go through the process of amendment, while in the meantime leaving it up to the states? What about federal aid to local education (strings attached) or to state transportation (strings attached in the form of 55mph)? Doesn't this lead in the end to so much resentment that we end up with nine states voting to invoke tenth amendment, or to so much dependence on Washington that voters lose interest in their local or state governments? Is centralization so crucial that we need to twist the constitution to our own momentary needs? And if centralization is desired, why not amend the constitution in those circumstances? Now, as you point out, Massachusetts has done a fine job of building up big government quite on its own. But I can choose to live somewhere else, unless, of course, the other states are fed so much big government by Washington, willingly or unwillingly, that they are largely indistinguishable. Believe me, my mind is not made up on this matter. But the words I cited from Washington's Farewell Address still ring in me. What do _you_ think? Is it at least a worthwhile discussion, one that is left out of the chapters we all read concerning the presidency of FDR? Until a couple months ago, when this was first brought to my attention, I would never have considered including it; now I am wondering whether I am doing a fair job if I don't at least raise the issue. Again, many thanks for taking the time to reply. I would love to hear from you again on this matter. Best wishes, Karl Fredrickson ================================================================================= Dear Karl Fredrickson, .PP .fi .na Thank you for replying to my letter and giving me the opportunity of acknowledging some of my mistakes. The first of these is that, instead of directly to you, I inadvertently addressed my letter to the lawyers list, some of whose readers are likely to have been annoyed by it as an irrelevant distraction from their pursuit of clients and cases. .PP .na My second, and more serious failing was my failure to respond to your thoughtful collation of legal arguments. I neglected to do so, not, I would like to think from rudeness, but from my lack of time to look up the precedents you cited, to reread the Federalist papers, and for that matter the Constitution itself. I am fundamentally very conscientious in such matters, but I am sure that I am not the first student who told you that he just did not have time to do his homework. .PP .na A more cogent reason for my failure to address the substance of your legal arguments, is that it has been a long time since I have taken any legal argument, especially if it appears in a Supreme Court decision, at face value. I have come to view not only that court, but the entire legal system as political theatre and I would no more analyse a judicial opinion for its conceptual content than I would clamber up on the stage after the performance to get a closer look at the geography of Elsinore or Dunsinane. The lawyers know this. They aren't taught it in law school, but they learn it in practice. They have become members of the cast and they must keep up the pretense if they are to survive in their profession. .PP .na Our legal system is intelligible to me only as an edifice of fiction and fantasy which might make Shakespeare or Marlowe green with envy. Our judges are the actors whose task it is to convince their grade school audience that everything is hunky dory in Disney Land and that their denial of certiorari in U.S. v. Jesus of Nazareth was nothing more than an inadvertent slip-up. How would you feel if you were in court, and the judge formally approved the payment of half a million dollars to your adversary as a bribe for his testimony against you? And how would your predicament differ from that of a defendant in a criminal case who was convicted on the plea bargain testimony of a purported accomplice whose life had been spared, or who had obtained his freedom in exchange for his perjured testimony against you? I cannot reconcile myself with the privilege of government attorneys to exercise prosecutorial discretion in bringing or failing to bring criminal charges as they see fit. I see that as a fundamental denial of due process, a government by men rather than by laws. Not that I would want to see even more individuals imprisoned, but that many if not most of our criminal laws would fall by the wayside if they had to be rigorously and systematically enforced. That is why I cannot take the logic of our judicial system seriously. .PP .na Turning once more to the proper interpretation of the Constitution which we discussed, I would like to suggest a simple, quite formal criterion of constructions that are permissible and those that are not. Certainly, the founding fathers could have made the Constitution as explicit as they saw fit. In the way of environmental protection, they could have included in it the permissible size of every dung heap in Pennsylvania. They left many important issues undefined, and deliberately so. The constitution which they bequeathed to us was a document remarkably free of their parochial prejudices. Of course, we are at liberty now, as an exercise in historical analysis, to look to their writings, to their political opinions to ascertain how they might have interpreted our Constitution. But isn't it illogical for us, under the pretext of being true to their intentions, to bind the Constitution to their political opinions, when they deliberately chose *not* to do so. When we limit the Constitution to the interpretations which we impute to the founding fathers, we destroy the constitution which they wrote, because that constitution is *not* limited to such interpretations. The politicians, therefore, who profess allegiance to a purportedly "original" document limited by the interpretations which they ascribe to the founding fathers are peddling a counterfeit, and are trying to persuade us to buy a cheap imitation that happens to satisfy the reactionary wishes of their constituents. The founding fathers chose to make the constitution non-specific not because they lacked the wits to interpret it, but because they deemed it inadvisable to limit the Constitution to any present parochial interest. The genuine Constitution was not intended to shackle us to the past, but was designed as a mirror to reflect the integrity, the courage, and the generosity of each succeeding generation. .PP .na The examples of the 55 m.p.h speed limit and the aid to education with strings attached which you cite as problematic intrusions of the federal government into state affairs, seem to me to be well chosen. I shall consider them in turn. In 1942, the speed limit was reduced to 35 m.p.h to save rubber and gasoline? If so, should other phases of the war effort have been regionalized? Should Texas have sent its own expeditionary forces to Italy and France? In 1974, the speed limit was reduced to 35 m.p.h. to save gasoline. There was no war, but there was a fuel crisis. Should states have been free to set their own speed limits, to control prices and allocation of gasoline within their borders, to prohibit the export of precious gasoline beyond state lines? .PP .na The Germans believe that the unlimited speeds on their Autobahnen have contributed significantly to the destruction of their forests from pollutants. I can't prove it, but it seems plausible to me. If polluted air from New Jersey, which for purposes of argument shall have only a "reasonable and proper" speed limit, drifts north and destroys the vegetation of the Hudson Valley, shall New York be entitled to damages from New Jersey, and in default, be permitted to annex the Palisades, if necessary by force? Or, if 25 of the fifty states have no speed limit, and their citizens incur medical expenses for automobile injuries at the rate twice that of the other twenty-five states, shall the slow states subsidize the fast ones? And if a uniform 55 mile an hour speed limit is oppressive to the states, isn't the dictation by federal authorities of the location of highways, the taking of farmland by eminent domain at federal behest even more objectionable? Perhaps there should be no interstate highway system. For at least ten years, Route 3, a four lane highway running north from Boston, ended ignominiously in a field at the New Hampshire border, because that state refused to construct the highway on its side of the boundary. .PP .na As minds are more important than cars, so the issue of federal guidelines for education are proportionately more important. The New York Times editorialized yesterday to the effect that new class divisions were arising in this country, because of differences in education, specifically, differences in technological expertise which was required to obtain employment now and in the forseeable future. If education is controlled entirely at state level, some states will graduate lots of football players and drum majorettes well-trained in the intelligent design theory of creation. Other states will graduate lots of students proficient in making mathematical computer models of the galaxies that constitute the Milky Way. Since there are more positions for computer engineers available than for talk show hosts, the unemployment benefits for the one state will be much higher than those for the other state. How will the resulting inequalities be compensated? May each of the wealthy states set up its own immigration and naturalization service, to keep out the jobless from the other states? Are we one nation? or shall we try secession once more? .PP .na I have addressed the issues which you broached. There is more, much more to be considered concerning the necessary role of government and the necessary restraints upon it to make life tolerable. I wish I had time now to explore these matters, but other duties constrain me to stop, to thank you for your indulgence, and to send you my very best wishes for the New Year. .nf Ernst Meyer