Probably it was mere coincidence that the gender inclusiveness debate greeted me when I first signed onto this list. It may seem to some that thus thread has long since been spun out. That nothing more can or should be said about it. Yet to me the debate about gender inclusive or exclusive language reaches far into the theological topics that concern Bonhoeffer and us. Most evidently there is a great deal of work to be done to reconcile the demands of feminism for mwomens' equal status in society with a religious tradition of many millenia that attributed the redemption of mankind to the Son who was sent into the World by God the Father. None of the comments made on this discussion list suggest to me that the beginning of this monumental and perhaps impossible task has been made. But on a level even more profound, the demand for gender inclusiveness is a demand both for outward social conformity but also for an inward compliance, a demand which in many, if not all instances requires a conversion of the spirit analogous to the conversion which is required of any nonbeliever. And because it is a demand upon the spirit of human beings, it is a religious imperative, and compliance with it is a religious experience. Thus the imperatives of feminism might be expected to compete with the demands of Bonhoeffer's God for the faith and obedience of the believer; and it seems to be quite plausible that Bonhoeffer's teachings should properly be interpreted as proscribing feminism as the worship of the idol of equality, as he suggested in the passage on the lamentable consequences of the French revolution, a passage which I quoted and translated in an earlier posting. The circumstance that dedication to an ideal of womens liberation might be stigmatized by the logic of Bonhoeffer's Ethik as being idolatrous, does not entail as its necessary consequence that the fact of women's liberation should be subject to similar opprobium. Indeed it might well follow, that even though the idealization of women's liberation is godless, the fulfillment of womens liberation is a necessary manifestation of divine love. What is in issue here is the use of words, is language, and language has the characteristic that it mediates between the inward and the outward, between what is private and what is public. The same word has both a public and a private significance: that is the source of its meaning and of its power. The words, written or spoken, exteriorizes the experience of the individual to make them part of a communal language. In turn the community relies on language to procure the cooperation and the conformity of the individual to its purposes. The learning of language is the essence of the socialization of the individual. The common language more than any other facet of community binds the individual to it; and remarkable to the point of being miraculous is the fact that the individual, the child learns the language eagerly, gladly, makes the conformity its own, and is in no way oppressed by what he has to learn. Relies on grammars and dictionaries, on style books, and mimics the language of famous authors.... There do come times when the prescription of language by the dictionary becomes oppressive, but this is the case less often than one might think, because these prescriptions in general do not concern matters of the individuals subjective experience, or they do so only tangentially. It is a different matter, with regard to things that are important to him. With these the individual commonly resists change and clings to expressions which reflect his own experience. And this is the juncture at which he must come to terms with censorship and dogma. Censorship is the process by which society prescribes to the individual what he may not proclaim to the outside world. Dogma is the teachingh by society of what a person is to deem to be true. Both censorship and dogma are irrelevant for dispassionate speech, which does not involve the individuals soul. Both censorship and dogma are indispensable to a society for the purpose and function of integrating its members into it. And this is the facet of experience peculiarly in the sphere of theology and religion, and of the church. Indeed, one can say that whenever a government imposes censorship for the purpose of controlling its citizens behavior, it has become a quasi religion and has usurped the function of the church. Theology is the only discipline I am aware of that takes into account the human soul, that purports to deal with subjectivity. the dialectic between passion and tolerance The force which compels censorship and dogma is the passionate belief that something is truly right or truly wrong.