Beyond freedom and necessity

The recent discussions on the list concerning
freedom and deity have remind me of Socrates' saying
that philosophy begins in wonder;
and the ensuing consternation
when one no longer wonders
when one is no longer startled,
when for one reason or another,
because one has reflected once too often,
or did not care enough in the first place,
it seems just another rehash of an old argument,
or one puts it aside with the label of dialectic or paradox.
It does serve one too well to become comfortable with
the paradox,
and I guess that is one of Kierkegaards attractions
that he consistently succeeds in walking the
fine line between taking offense at the 
paradox and taking it for granted.
.PP
Having said all this to exculpate myself and others on the list
with scholarly pretensions,
I confess that I found it an argument so well worn
so familiar,
that I could not get excited about it,
but used it as occasion to review my
ignorance of what others have said on the subject
of how others have grappled with this problem.
.PP
A denial of free will is implicit already
in Socrates' belief that wrongdoing is a consequence of ignorance;
that no one knowingly does wrong

Similarly Aristotles account of deity as the unmoved mover

It was the attempt of the Church to implement its earthly dominion
by legistlating virtue and vice
that created the philosophical dilemma.

Ordinary laws control by reward and punishment.