Dear Nathaniel, Thinking more about your very impressive essay, I should point out that _your_ interpretation of Apollonian as intellectual, which seems to me eminently reasonable, is, however _not_ what Nietzsche had in mind in that seminal essay about the Birth of Tragedy. Nietzsche envisioned the Apollonian mode as a dispassionate sensual perception such as he thought was characteristic of certain dreams or dreamlike states. I think what Nietzsche had in mind was a sedate dispassionate apprehension of beauty and order. e.g. the beginnings of the second movements of both Beethoven's 5th and 7th symphonies. Both of these pieces beging in what I consider the Apollonian mood, but unlike Mozart - who is often pure Apollo - Beethoven could never escape Dionysus lurking in his gut. In his Birth of Tragedy essay, Nietzsche was highly critical of intellect and reason: indeed, when I reread the Birth of Tragedy last month, it occurred to me that perhaps Nietzsche's ultimate purpose was to malign Socrates, as the mind that introduced reason (intellect) into Attic culture as its guiding principle, and thereby made impossible tragedy such as written by Aeschylus and Sophocles. For Nietzsche Attic tragedy was unintellectual irrational uncritical. The consequence of the introduction of reason into Attic culture so far as Nietzsche was concerned, were the tragedies of Euripides, as argumentative word games, which Socratic irony had drained of all fateful passion and all passionate fate. Another point that I consider important is that it didn't take Adrian Leverkuehn or Arnold Schoenberg to arrange the marriage of mathematics and music. I know I've mentioned Hermann Hesse's novel The Bead Game (Das Glasperlenspiel) which will fascinate you when you read it, which describes a musical-mathematical game, - the bead game - that encapsulates the essence of European music. You should also review some of the theoretical compositions of J.S. Bach, the Musical Offering, the Art of the Fugue, and the Goldberg Variations, not to mention the preludes and fugues of his Well-Tempered Clavier collection. These are all works that are constructed in the spirit of mathematics. Furthermore, Bach's vocal works, the Passions and the Cantatas abound with verbal and sometimes mathematical symbolism. I suspect also, that there's a lot of mathematics lurking in Scarlatti, Vivaldi, and other composers of the Italian baroque, - but I don't really know. I point this out because I think _you_ should understand it; I doubt that any of your readers will be smart enough to know the difference. I wouldn't bother making any changes in your essay. Yoyo (is that how you spell it?)