Dear Marion, Further thoughts - or questions - about humor and religion. So far as Christianity is concerned, nothing comes to mind except Medieval humor about the devil and his doings. I know that Jewish tradition is rich in humor, but it's my impression that Jewish humor targets family and society but stops short of challenging what is deemed holy. Does humor have any function in the Talmud? Can you enlighten me? An impressive monument to humor in religion is Goethe's "Prolog im Himmel", the opening scene of Faust, a parody of the first chapter of Job, where Goethe has Mephistopheles telling God: Mein Pathos braechte Dich gewiss zum Lachen, haettst Du Dir nicht das Lachen abgewoehnt. (My pathos would surely make you laugh, if you hadn't broken the habit of laughing.) In the ensuing Faust drama, both Part 1 and Part 2, the devil's role wavers between comical and sinister. Nietzsche's Zarathustra, a parody of Jesus, also, if I remember correctly, laughs with glee. Kiekegaard frequently uses humor to defend his religious experience, - but I can remember off-hand no instance where humor enters into that experience. Kierkegaard, as you may know, identified subjectivity with truth and as such, with the divine. So did the sixteenth century mystic Johannes Scheffler who wrote under the pseudonym of Angelus Silesius. Baruch Spinoza, as you probably know, equated God with Substance, a heresy for which he was excommunicated by his fellow Jews. Etymologically, substance and subject are related. Substance leads back to the Greek hypostasis: that which supports something else because it stands underneath. Subject leads back to the Greek hypokeimenon: that which supports something else because it lies underneath. Both of these terms have undergone sea changes in meaning over the centuries, and I'm not sure there's much to be gained by etymological exploration. But I can't entirely put out of my mind the thought that Spinoza's Substance (i.e. Spinoza's God) might be that element of ones diverse experiences of the cosmos and all that it contains, which unifies that cosmos and makes it "intelligible" by virtue of the inwardness or subjectivity of substance in the contemplative mind. In that case, Spinoza and Kierkegaard would be in agreement. What do you think? Jochen