From bnamenwirth@yahoo.com Mon Nov 26 18:18:44 2018 Return-Path: Received: from mx-sentry.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.246]) by mdl-aspiring.atl.sa.earthlink.net (EarthLink SMTP Server) with SMTP id 1Grq9m46n3Nl37d0; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from sonic303-4.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.131.43]) by mx-sentry.atl.sa.earthlink.net (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1Grq9l2TG3Nl37M1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:18:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1543274322; bh=piM83Jw4r52FCSHGfOK9QcKQYXXZ4tkTKrBzLEUaKq4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=N5h+RGtX+L7d7LIxVjbPZBAxhxyh3FnZGg4L9C3G1iHW2Aw+hT8y9IH/IsyOxoNRm97wPcAUsO1TjBelME4g9QGCnJOUTIxje1vlY9obKT/sw88W+ZZowoUa7VaPv8aAAqiMb/uTMBO3fke0AaTVjWTcKNUljo/IspibTiY4nVsQRpy84Zehx8IyEU8AdhDX6JB9aC1asXLx4K+o6gOjKXtlpUEg/Uppkrs6xQn/d0PjeLAvRTfy8J/SuIF0d6R31CJ6F+lZD/adBw3dRlUm45YR+afoa0msJOASeh6HUTUx8yduy1zvwqtaz+u1oSUXZbh1H3bw51DAPrwfpmm1Qg== X-YMail-OSG: FdNWphgVM1lok8F.gYcS8EwBMMdvg25vPu2kVK3Kq5FE6IjzJCtnMY7n4wylNNp jO_y.1LBLf6RUbUUBqg1O0meAfc2ZjZ9FV1wks40mS6nQ3tZkpcC.8mJJrP4z4VPheld_w7bfZTT J1Sr.v25b46vvk4__NzEFiHfFsVeNdRCjIVnthYI2fuYe0og3vGGVKslLTHToZ.ODXhxMv4Gxx8N ByERyb5BkVq55hQWIZay.J5G4TP9K3WnB613HZVM1LIWMqN6e4BDnc9sBb4j.vwQQm3SYN3HB0dv xgAE8XhcQ8TRpoN68qaXcHYAhb63UZspwsrvNpxhj2m640I6SApda4IojEIyqjuT.sbN_5YKQkCN 9pNM0vLW5U3D_56i2jigJpH136PDr7TETbcSfkuGIhHexmIp91YZZ6ZMjIBccHiMnLzR5xPlhB5b oeSkjFhTKeUobFj2oFiL.xqt5zLVaFgaydNwGT6Fnlkgdi3xyYVHXcsKXpp4Be5tGNqAXiR6cuN6 FHWnH3P6liPSPaQK4SHTwigSOmHcIdUrhH7KC774Yv0uHQkYWZRmqdzXGaDheOAoAm6ZK.c6XO1Q gIfHson459RS2_u6qOVGVPiYhE1pzB8NVySzx9DWPTL8wCi.X.MqsVksyUwWLuyQzLHJ5zbuMQva 0XuKupiWvIATNVr6UYCLSUUDknNYv2j3emQ3pchFH7dAfg6XM5z65gwkt_vZ9p7NTdRSZ9rUtGec 8rU0YCliBq7JqzO3oz1JtQ0SF6FwUPLDqZfD_apIFMVXt799u2OpBFWq1YP09ASkLCVv_acvgprr OGxowIKgruW4m7MLD4HTIIxjiZ7rC85ruaKQy0oSvthV86XqRiCqNeQikvnA404xuJBr20VWUOle Qe2.qS5ObdjtFy4xCoYNBvcFM2qLTKVxk_PtAGJkZ.7ov2yS4HHMHBZEDAHBUEIzmTYArbc4YQcN ffnb7v4.1hPrj0oQpEPwqFMJVgMHFyKbBNdvqIfw4RVvs3BRw4slYrz8E0n8J0rpNJRupc.AgXlc - Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:18:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:18:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Barbara Namenwirth Reply-To: Barbara Namenwirth To: Ernst Meyer Message-ID: <1124253308.6537664.1543274317623@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1543272635.3218.2.camel@earthlink.net> References: <1543272635.3218.2.camel@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: November 26, 2018 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6537663_225352027.1543274317620" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.12729 YahooMailNeo Mozilla/5.0 (X11; CrOS x86_64 11021.56.0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/70.0.3538.76 Safari/537.36 Content-Length: 12832 X-ELNK-TLSInbound: 1 X-ELNK-Received-Info: spv=0; X-ELNK-AV: 0 X-ELNK-Info: sbv=0; sbrc=.0; sbf=b0; sbw=000; X-Evolution-Source: 1520141624.2373.2@madaket20 ------=_Part_6537663_225352027.1543274317620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Jochen,Hello! thank you for your response BUT you had me fooled: I did not see any reason you and Klemens could not have made a trip to the famous Mount Hebron in Israel. So we are starting out with a couple of mistakes/misunderstandings and they seem to me best simply resolved in an harmonious whole, namely a big - mischievous or not - smile. Please remember that I am not far behind you - I will be 86 in January. I don't however care much for the senility nomer. It doesn't apply to you any more to me. Nor does any other label. Along those lines, I am not a Buddhist, nor was the Buddha for that matter. For about 30 years I have been enjoying a community of people who practice in the tradition of Thich Nhat Hanh. That's the extent of it. I can say that over those years I have decided that in no way did the Buddha have a religion in mind but more what can be called a task-oriented ethics. Do the practice and feel/experience the results. Like anything we have ever learned in life, it is by practicing over and over that we reap the fruits. You and I are possibly different in that words make me nervous. I use as few as possible. But this does not take away from the fact that you are an amazing and totally worthwhile individual. Don't let anyone suggest anything different. Let's see what we can do with that. Now Micha and I are going to have our end of the afternoon "sit". I send you best greetings and a big hug,Barbara On Monday, November 26, 2018 4:50 PM, Ernst Meyer wrote: To: Barbara Namenwirth ^M November 26, 2018 Dear Barbara, Thank you for your politeness of refraining to correct my confusion of Mount Horeb with Mount Hebron. Soon after I had sent my letter I became aware of my mistake, and am pleased now for the opportunity to correct it and to prove to you that I know how to read. As a matter of fact, correcting mistakes has become a familiar pasttime. The older I get the more mistakes I make, and the more time I spend with corrections and apologies. Thank you for your letter. Your request "Please tell me/us a little more." raises the question, more about _what_, and entails inherent hazards.  Loquaciousness is one of the symptoms of senility.  It's likely that any answers you get are longer than you expected.  Absent more specific questions the best I can do is to tell you what is immediately on my mind. An article in the New York Times about the prevalence of loneliness steered me to a "UCLA Loneliness Scale (Version 3)", induced me to test myself, and to try to ascertain whether it applies to me, and if so, to discover the dimensions of my loneliness. I conclude, that the UCLA pigeon-hole is not for me, and that, to put it mildly, I am a somewhat awkward individual.  Your letter, and especially its invitation to a reply, takes some of the edge off what otherwise might be called loneliness, and obviously points me in a healthy direction. (I wonder if you can tell in reading this letter which sentences have been written with a naughty smile.) In Marion's first letter to me: Subject: Great Talking to You! From: "Marion Namenwirth" Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:01:59 -0500 To: "Jochen Meyer" which begins on page 3 of the collection I left with you, Marion explains how her parents felt about Marga and Heinz and in the process Marion unburdens herself of an account of the dynamics of the relationship between Margot and Fritz.  I consider the perplexities and challenges of family dynamics an ongoing, fundamental and inescapable facet of my experience (Erleben), which, while it may be alluded to as a process in time past, is not susceptible to contemporary accounting.  In the software engineer's language one might say that certain experiences (Erleben) cannot be described in "real time", if only because of a spiritual pseudo-quantum effect, in that the dynamics in issue are subjective experiences (Erleben), which are amplified, attenuated, altered and or distorted, if not indeed incited and instigated or quenched and extinguished by any attempt to communicate about them in words.  Such matters can only be told in poems or in novels. So that's what you get when you ask: "Please tell me/us a little more." Confounding Mount Horeb with Mount Hebron was merely the threshold of my confusion.  I need to be straightened out about Buddhism. Will you help? My premature December greetings to you both. Jochen ------=_Part_6537663_225352027.1543274317620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear Jochen,
Hello! thank you for your response BUT you had me fooled: I did not see any reason you and Klemens could not have made a trip to the famous Mount Hebron in Israel. So we are starting out with a couple of mistakes/misunderstandings and they seem to me best simply resolved in an harmonious whole, namely a big - mischievous or not - smile. Please remember that I am not far behind you - I will be 86 in January. I don't however care much for the senility nomer. It doesn't apply to you any more to me. Nor does any other label.

Along those lines, I am not a Buddhist, nor was the Buddha for that matter. For about 30 years I have been enjoying a community of people who practice in the tradition of Thich Nhat Hanh. That's the extent of it. I can say that over those years I have decided that in no way did the Buddha have a religion in mind but more what can be called a task-oriented ethics. Do the practice and feel/experience the results. Like anything we have ever learned in life, it is by practicing over and over that we reap the fruits. 
You and I are possibly different in that words make me nervous. I use as few as possible. But this does not take away from the fact that you are an amazing and totally worthwhile individual. Don't let anyone suggest anything different. Let's see what we can do with that. Now Micha and I are going to have our end of the afternoon "sit". 
I send you best greetings and a big hug,
Barbara


On Monday, November 26, 2018 4:50 PM, Ernst Meyer <ernstmeyer@earthlink.net> wrote:


To: Barbara Namenwirth <bnamenwirth@yahoo.com>^M
November 26, 2018

Dear Barbara,

Thank you for your politeness of refraining to correct my confusion of
Mount Horeb with Mount Hebron. Soon after I had sent my letter I became
aware of my mistake, and am pleased now for the opportunity to correct
it and to prove to you that I know how to read. As a matter of fact,
correcting mistakes has become a familiar pasttime. The older I get the
more mistakes I make, and the more time I spend with corrections and
apologies.

Thank you for your letter. Your request "Please tell me/us a little
more." raises the question, more about _what_, and entails inherent
hazards.  Loquaciousness is one of the symptoms of senility.  It's
likely that any answers you get are longer than you expected.  Absent
more specific questions the best I can do is to tell you what is
immediately on my mind. An article in the New York Times about the
prevalence of loneliness steered me to a "UCLA Loneliness Scale
(Version 3)", induced me to test myself, and to try to ascertain
whether it applies to me, and if so, to discover the dimensions of my
loneliness. I conclude, that the UCLA pigeon-hole is not for me, and
that, to put it mildly, I am a somewhat awkward individual.  Your
letter, and especially its invitation to a reply, takes some of the
edge off what otherwise might be called loneliness, and obviously
points me in a healthy direction. (I wonder if you can tell in reading
this letter which sentences have been written with a naughty smile.)

In Marion's first letter to me:
Subject: Great Talking to You!
From: "Marion Namenwirth" <namenwir@umn.edu>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:01:59 -0500
To: "Jochen Meyer" <ernstmeyer@earthlink.net>
which begins on page 3 of the collection I left with you, Marion
explains how her parents felt about Marga and Heinz and in the process
Marion unburdens herself of an account of the dynamics of the
relationship between Margot and Fritz.  I consider the perplexities and
challenges of family dynamics an ongoing, fundamental and inescapable
facet of my experience (Erleben), which, while it may be alluded to as
a process in time past, is not susceptible to contemporary
accounting.  In the software engineer's language one might say that
certain experiences (Erleben) cannot be described in "real time", if
only because of a spiritual pseudo-quantum effect, in that the dynamics
in issue are subjective experiences (Erleben), which are amplified,
attenuated, altered and or distorted, if not indeed incited and
instigated or quenched and extinguished by any attempt to communicate
about them in words.  Such matters can only be told in poems or in
novels.

So that's what you get when you ask: "Please tell me/us a little more."
Confounding Mount Horeb with Mount Hebron was merely the threshold of
my confusion.  I need to be straightened out about Buddhism. Will you
help?

My premature December greetings to you both.

Jochen




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